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I'm not calling you a fag so why would you call me a breeder? [Dec. 19th, 2011|12:15 pm]
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You know… I kind of don’t understand the whole thing about discriminated groups being discriminating. Ok, I mean, I guess people who get picked on for being a certain race or a certain sexuality could build up bitterness and want to lash out against those who have hurt them. HOWEVER you would think that these people would, more than anyone, realize how being not everyone is the same and that difference is something to hate someone for. When blacks (for example) hate on someone for the simple reason that they’re white or a gay person shouts “breeder” at someone for the single reason that they’re straight it really bugs me. Bugs me as much if not more than when I see majority-on-minority prejudice. I mean, look, you guys hate it when homophobic people call you thing like “fag” right? So why use the term breeder for all straight people? We can get offended too. And it’s one thing when someone shouts “fag” and you shout “breeder” back, but what makes you think that it’s ok to coin that term for all straight people? I don’t use offensive terms toward sexuality (or racial, religious, etc) minorities and I would appreciate it if you didn’t use those sort of offensive terms against me. I remember once hearing one of my gay friends say “fuck breeders.” Funny that he has so many straight friends with that attitude. I went home and deleted all the e-mails from all the equality orgs I’m signed up with that I got that day. I just didn’t care at that moment. It was such a “fine, you want a hate war, go at it on your own.”
 
It’s STUPID. Why would you discriminate when you know how bad discrimination is!? It’s like if I was to discriminate again fully abled people because I have a disability. It makes no fucking sense guys. I understand that frustration builds up but two wrongs doesn’t make a right! And, honestly, I wouldn’t want to be friends with someone who throws the term “breeder” around anymore than I would want to be friends with someone who throws the term ”fag” around.
 
tl;dr version:
a) I take offense at being called names.
b) I think everyone deserves common courtesy.
c) Being abused does not give you the right to be an abuser. If you're being an ass, you're being an ass regardless of who you are. Golden rule: treat people as you want to be treated.
d) I would think that people who have experienced things like verbal assault and stereotyping would know how offensive it is and would think before doing it. .
e) Being attacked for you identity by members of a cause you consider yourself an ally to makes it doubly hurtful and makes me doubt where these people even want allies because one usually does not attempt to alienate ones allies.

/end rant. Sorry.  
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[User Picture]From: reg_flint
2011-12-19 08:40 pm (UTC)
I've never called anyone or thought anyone a "breeder" - it is belittling and demeaning. There are other colorful phrases like "cracker" for white, "Kraut" for German, and phrases like "eat the rich." It is twice as bad coming from the people who are accusing the 'average" person- knowing what it is and how it cuts, have they not yet learned that it cuts Both Ways?
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[User Picture]From: alley_skywalker
2011-12-19 10:48 pm (UTC)
Thank you, Kat.
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[User Picture]From: imaginarycircus
2011-12-19 09:01 pm (UTC)
Whoa. I think you need to read up on privilege and power dynamics along axes of oppression. I'm sorry someone hurt your feelings, but your hurt feelings are in no way equal to actual discrimination and oppression.
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[User Picture]From: alley_skywalker
2011-12-19 09:11 pm (UTC)
Two wrongs doesn't make a right either way. The point is that people in general need to think more and I would expect more awareness out of those who know how demeaning discriminatory terms are. I am a woman, I am also disabled. While I haven't experienced much heat for the former I have been bullied due to the latter. I'm not clueless on the subject, trust me. I'm not saying my "hurt feelings" are equal to oppression or whatever. But people need to take responsibility for what they say and do and just because someone's an asshole to you doesn't mean you have a right to be an asshole to someone else.
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[User Picture]From: imaginarycircus
2011-12-19 09:16 pm (UTC)
From a social justice standpoint what you are saying is highly problematic. I find it highly problematic. Saying "oppressed people should be nice and not assholes" is very close to the "tone argument."=

I am also a not able bodied woman so yeah. We both win those squares in oppression bingo. Not my point.
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[User Picture]From: alley_skywalker
2011-12-19 09:36 pm (UTC)
I don't think anyone has the right to be an asshole. Period. Because otherwise it's like saying that if you are in a minority which is in one way or another oppressed by a majority gives you special privilege (ie to be a jerk). Should I be a jerk to every man because they have privilege or to every abled person? Demanding rights/respect/whatever does not equal the right to name call, to bully, to discriminate, basically to be an asshole.
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[User Picture]From: imaginarycircus
2011-12-19 09:44 pm (UTC)
OK. We're not getting anywhere with this discussion. I don't have enough spoons to explain my point any more clearly.
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[User Picture]From: alley_skywalker
2011-12-19 10:52 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure what spoons means in this context but I can agree to disagree. Maybe I'm just not understanding correctly what the tone argument is but I don't think I was making one. I was talking about common decency and everyone having the right to respect unless they have specifically, personally, done something to lose this respect in the eyes of a particular person. That's all. But again, I'm willing to agree to disagree.
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