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Hey, tumblr, negative opinion and bashing aren't the same thing. [Sep. 4th, 2014|06:50 pm]
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So...there are different reasons why I don't have a tumblr, even though I have thought of maybe getting one...Among the reasons is I find a lot of the formatting to be really uncomfortable to read, in the sense that when I try to enlarge the text so it's readable to me, the design does some weird thing (kinda hard to explain) or that I find tumblr a little lacking when it comes to actual interaction other than "liking" and re-blogging. But recent, I've been looking at this thing about tags and the "etiquette" over there when it comes to ships/characters/fandom tags. At first, I thought it was a good idea to not use a ship's tag when your post contains "hate." BUT. Apparently, many people think you shouldn't use ANY tags pertaining specifically to the fandom. Well...ok. Posts like "OMG X shippers are retarded!!!1" aren't worth the attention anyone. BUT. Obviously, what tumblr considers "hate" isn't the same as what I've come to know as "bashing." People's mileage seems to vary, but basically, it seems like all and any dissatisfaction and criticism is now being lumped into "hate." IDK, but disagreement is not hate. And saying you dislike something or it's not working for you, in a polite fashion, is not hate.

The reason this makes me side-eye tumblr is two-fold. Either:
a) Most people are so oversensitive that they can't stand running into criticism of something they like, even if the post is polite (and probably has appropriate warning in the heading/first paragraph/tags); or
b) People there are such assholes that MOST of disagreement has been voiced in such an impolite and immature tone that fandom felt it was imperative to remove all negative opinion out of places where it is easily accessible.

Neither of these make me think very highly of tumblr. I'm all for fandom being a positive place. I still hold that some places, like comments of fanworks, are not the place for concrit or other such discussion, unless the creator has said it's ok with them. But, if I can't tag a post with "Sherlock" because I want to talk about how Moriarty is a psychopath? Yea, no.

[User Picture]From: nearlyconscious
2014-09-05 02:03 am (UTC)
Oh, I see what you mean. As with many things, it's mainly a question of people not being honest with themselves/others, I think.
I like the principle of not tagging the hate in the character tag for instance, because when people do it it's just incredibly annoying. I mean, it's one thing to be like "I think this character is being abusive/is a psychopath/stop woobifying them". Alas, ppl who tag stuff with the character usually just throw a slur and want others to approve and that's why they tag. So if I browse the Cersei Lannister or Jenny Schecter tag, for instance, it's 50% hate most of the time, and insults galore. Seriously, I just never go into the tag anymore because it's just too tedious, I directly go to my favourite blogs. Some people actually have tags for hate which I think makes sense (pretty sure there are a lot of posts under "i hate moffat" for instance).
As you pointed out, there is a distinction to be made between hate and disagreement. And I don't think it's unreasonable *at all* to tag some disagreement or dislike of a character under the show!
Then, when you know a fandom is a bit pissy, it's useful to put a header warning/disclaimer that you're going to talk about something that might be unpopular. But I agree that it is tedious. I think I'm just used to it (been on tumblr since 2009?), but it's true that on other platforms, you can just say whatever you like... It might be due to the fact that tags are very much used on tumblr. Or that the platform is generally more aggressive (people tend to jump at each other's throats easily in some cases).
Anyway, I'm writing at length but I feel like I'm not saying anything much sorry --" I basically agree with you. Tumblr sucks in that regard. It's very nice in some ways, but it's not the best place for reasonable discussions, I'm afraid.
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[User Picture]From: alley_skywalker
2014-09-05 05:27 am (UTC)
Yea, I mean...I get that it's much nicer to go onto a tag you like and see only positive things... But just the atmosphere is very stifling. And, again, it also means that people are kinda...mean, if the only way to get a decent amount of positivity is to shut out all the disagreement in general. I'm especially frustrated with people who don't want negative comments on very broad tags, like the general fandom tag. I mean, if I wanna talk about Moriarty or Emma/Regina but I can't even tag the post "Sherlock" or "OUAT" who's gonna see it, other than people who already follow me?

So, yea...the whole situation just seems like kind of a crapshoot.

ETA: are there L Word blogs on tumblr???

Edited at 2014-09-05 05:38 am (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: nearlyconscious
2014-09-05 12:33 pm (UTC)
Honestly, it's not so much about seeing just positive things, it's about not seeing gendered insults and just pointless raging posts like "UGH JENNY IS SUCH A CUNT I HATE HER" or even "I KILLED JENNY SCHECTER", "that bitch is crazy"... I would be totally okay with ppl tagging this as "The L word" though, or "I hate jenny schecter"... I would also be fine for some meta discussion that is actually constructive, even if it isn't in favour of Jenny, yk? But like posts that are just throwing insults... c'mon.
Yeah, people who don't want negative comments on very broad tags can fuck off, tbh. I say ignore them. Or tag with "OUAT meta" or something like that, maybe? idk.

Yes, there are! Although some of them (*cough* most of them) actually worship TiBette, so.. I'm not a huge fan. I get that they have chemistry, but people excusing rape and other abusive behaviours because it's their OTP is just a huge no-no for me, yk?
If you like Jenny, I recommend eschecter. I can't remember the names of the other blogs I like...
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[User Picture]From: alley_skywalker
2014-09-05 10:17 pm (UTC)
Wow, wait, rape O_o Between Tina/Bette? ...Obviously it's been a while since I've watched the show, because I don't remember that.

No, I don't like Jenny, but I was just curious in general :)
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[User Picture]From: nearlyconscious
2014-09-06 09:35 am (UTC)
End of season one. People call it "passionate hate!sex" but um, no. Tina repeatedly says no, pretty much hits Bette for her to stop and Bette just seizes her arms and goes on and it's just... Consent is *definitely* dubious there. Especially given the context. Ugh, such an unhealthy pairing. They can be super cute, but just... Ugh.
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